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Jesuiskitty is a monster. She is no different to the Nazis who euthanized the disabled.She considers it perfectly okay to kill a 12-year-old severely disabled boy cared for by a loving family. It's just a brainstem, which is meaningless, as he was just an empty bag of skin and bone. No thoughts, no feelings, zero perception. At the level of an amoeba, actually.Yes, it would be ok to withdraw life support, because only the body is alive. He had no self.http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/20-week-abortion-bans-explained#comment-1818585090By "life support," she means food. His autonomic brain function was unimpaired.http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/09/02/louisiana-boy-born-without-brain-dies-at-age-12/
I don't think that's what she was saying. I'll look at the links tomorrow. Right now I need to find somthing to wear tomorrow. I have a meeting I have to dress up for. If you want we can talk offline. If you get this and respond I'll post my email.
I am so glad you have provided a place for Mars to fret and flounce about. Better here than anywhere else.
Please check ur email.
Brainless. Can't ever experience life. A fucking vegetable, with the exact level of consciousness as a Venus Flytrap.That isn't a life. Its living tissue, nothing more.I am sorry that you are too stupid and ignorant to get it.Autonomic = reflexive. He had every bit of life experience as a Venus Flytrap would have. Zero perception. No thoughts, no feelings..Every movement purely reflexive.If you think its murder to kill a human vegetable, then by all logic, you would have to consider it murder to deny food to a Venus Flytrap.His mom was just engaged in wishful thinking. He was an empty shell.
I've been making efforts to be nice to him, but accusing me of being a nazi is beyond ridiculous, especially as he doesn't understand the concept of brainlessness.
You are sick.
No, I'm rational. You have sad feelies for oblivious tissue because it has a cute head.Ridiculous.
All eugenicists claim to be rational. The things you are saying are identical to what the Nazis said. Identical.
Explain how its possible to experience life without a brain.I am curious.If you can't, then I can only conclude that you are an irrational twat.
Oh, and Id like a citation for the supposed Nazi campaign against the brainless .Thx in advance.:)
I have provided you multiple links. You have set up your own criteria for what the Nazis called Lebensunwertes Leben — "life unworthy of life" — and think that entitles you to kill those who do not meet your criteria.You are a degenerate.
You don't get to impose your standards for what lives aren't worth living.
Yes, compassion is so ridiculous. You are sick.
What is irrational is deciding who is and is not a human based on whether you can see it or not.You are the one arguing that since it's in its mom's belly, it isn't a person.
That would make sense, except brainlessness isn't life, unless you consider vegetables also have lives worth living.Do you eat plants?If you do, and I am betting that you do, it is pretty clear that you are a hypocrite, as you are clearly imposing your standards for what lives aren't worth living. It's sick I tell you, sick. Welcome to the club, Nazi boy.PS You are also an anti gay bigot, which makes you identical to the nazis, as they spread hate speech about the gays, and sent them off to be killed. Glass houses my son, glass houses.
You kill brainless plants and eat them.They do not meet your criteria because they are brainless.You are a degenerate.You are a nazi.
Show me where I said that brainless human bodies aren't human. thanks.Unless you can show me a citation, you can shut the fuck up.
You lack compassion for1) gays (whom you spread hate speech about, which is just what the nazis did)2) plantsYou are identical to the Nazis.
You have just equated severely disabled human beings with plants.You truly are a piece of work.
They have about the same level of consciousness.So why are you advocating genocide against plants and the gays?You sick fuck.
tut tut, the irrational one is defensive.
Aw, so you can't.Go back to genociding plants, and calling for the genocide of gays.It's all you will ever amount to :)Cheers!
You are the one who wants to kill people. I am staunchly pro-life.
Is that why you spread hate speech about gays? Just like the nazis did?
They are like that. They lack empathy - the very trait that makes us unique and distinct. If anyone should be killed, it should be people who lack empathy. What do you think? Could we make a rule that says if you want to eliminate people, you have to start with your own suicide?
Says the guy who is using hate speech against the gays, just like the nazis
she is a piece of work AND a severely mentally disabled human being.
I have not proposed the killing of everyone.However, I do advocate a ban on male homosexuality as a public health measure.Men having sex with men (MSM) have a rate of syphilis infection 300 times that of the general population. Not twice the rate. Not 10 times the rate. 300 times the rate.MSM are a little over 1% of the population, yet account for 70% of syphilis infections. http://blog.aids.gov/2012/12/syphilis-and-hiv-a-dangerous-duo-affecting-gay-and-bisexual-men.html
Hate speech.You are identical to the Nazis.IDENTICAL
Facts are not hate speech.
You are a degenerate.
I don't' spread hate speech about gays. I only fight for the rights of motherless and fatherless children - specifically, the right to grieve the loss openly, without having to worry about the emotional problems of the parents and their "narrative".But it's okay if you want to project your hatred of me onto me, and pretend that it's somehow self-evident that anyone who doesn't think the way you think must obviously be motivated by hate. I know that's what you guys live on.
You are proposing killing people and harvesting their organs for those you deem more worthy.Your beliefs are identical to those of the Nazis.
It's far worse than you think. We are arguing about the case of a severely disabled boy who survived to the age of 12 because he was cared for by a loving family.She believes he should have been killed and his organs harvested.
Let the world note what you believe.
That the brainless are living corpses?Yep, I am ok with that, as the medical community agrees with me.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722973/You want to murder severely disabled newborns by denying them organs from babies that are literally beating heart cadavers - due to not having a brain.That, to me, is sick. Privileging corpses over the living.
Why don't you go find some imperfect people to kill? You'd feel better.
Says the person who is using hate speech against the gays, just like the nazishttp://assets.diylol.com/hfs/955/8aa/556/resized/business-cat-meme-generator-who-needs-porn-when-you-have-nazi-porn-719a76.jpg
Keep it up. The stench of your beliefs grows fouler and fouler.
Facts are not hate speech.http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Nazi_6ee832_1812855.jpg
You really have anger. I am moving toward pity.
Read your own link. Those children were maintained on life support until brain death and the medical community insists upon these ethical guidelines.You, on the other hand, want to actively kill them. You are a degenerate.
I think we're dealing with a damaged person.
Nazis persecute homosexuals; SS hardest hit.https://books.google.com/books?id=UZb5B_DGXuIC&pg=PA256&dq=%22denial+of+homosexuality:+same-sex+incidents+in+Himmler%27s+SS+and+Police%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QBXHVImSD5SzyASCy4GYAQ&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22denial%20of%20homosexuality%3A%20same-sex%20incidents%20in%20Himmler's%20SS%20and%20Police%22&f=false
Now, for something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!Ernst Rohm, sugar. Own him.
No, not defensive - I type this same thing a lot. It's one of my "causes". I have seen too much heartache from the erroneous belief that family can somehow be made a "choice" . It is a compelling fantasy, but it is worse than unworkable: it is destructive.
Yep.JUST like you.Your beliefs are IDENTICAL to the NazisSickeninghttp://lh4.ggpht.com/_WdBlTmaKZrc/SxcP80lxQTI/AAAAAAAAAKU/H5o_BbWPK8o/Heil%20Kitty_thumb%5B2%5D.gif?imgmax=800A photo of you, spreading hate propaganda against the gays.Your beliefs are foul.
Did you say "gay Nazis?" "SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of left-wing parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines."
SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of left-wing parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines.
No silly, it was the SA that was rife with them...Or did they infest the SS too?
And life support/feeding tubes are also commonly removed prior to natural brain death, as there is no point keeping a beating heart cadaver on life support.It happens all of the time.I am sorry that you are too childish to deal with such a reality. Most people get over existential angst by the time they are 10.
Right. You want to kill the "unworthy to live" and I'm the Nazi.
Yep, are you the Nazi.Anencephalics are already dead when born. They are corpses with beating hearts.
Unself-aware hypocrisy alert!Here's YOU about half an hour ago, toots:"If you find yourself losing the argument with fiona (because you are illiterate), just accuse her of being a genocidal naziI have it from trusted sources (your buddies at NRO) that immediately calling someone a Nazi is the best way to win every single argument all of the time."ROFLMAO
Who said THIS?I have it from trusted sources (your buddies at NRO) that immediately calling someone a Nazi is the best way to win every single argument all of the time."Oh, the bag now calling everyone else Nazis?!ROFLMAO
"If you find yourself losing the argument ... just accuse (him) of being a genocidal naziROFLMAO
The link is to a study of police reports concerning roundups of homosexuals in Nazi Germany. Turns out large numbers — in some incidents, the majority — of those arrested were members of the SS.
Your cat looks like you!
You're boring.I'm gonna go play with my cat (which is actually a euphemism for genocide, oh yeah, riiight):)
Lame suspect link? SKIP!
DAYUM, no WONDER their uniforms were so snappy!
Nice chattin' : )
I once saw an essay by Rohm in which he claimed that the racial superiority of the Nazi Supermen meant they were not bound by the strictures of conventional sexual morality.Rohm's blatant, out homosexuality seems bizarre now, given the gay genocide that was to follow. He talked openly about his fondness for gay bars and Turkish baths, and was known for his virility. He believed that gay people were superior to straights, and saw homosexuality as a key principle of his proposed Brave New Fascist Order. As historian Louis Snyder explains, Rohm "projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behaviour pattern of high repute... He flaunted his homosexuality in public and insisted his cronies do the same. He believed straight people weren't as adept at bullying and aggression as homosexuals, so homosexuality was given a high premium in the SA." They promoted an aggressive, hypermasculine form of homosexuality, condemning "hysterical women of both sexes", in reference to feminine gay men.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-strange-strange-story_b_136697.html
He sounds a lot like that djgc cretin and a number of others we run across on this issue...
That's exactly who I thought of, but I couldn't remember the initials.He seems to have gone quiet. Maybe they finally got his meds dialed in.
As P. J. O'Rourke said, "No one has ever had a fantasy about being tied to a bed and sexually ravished by someone dressed as a liberal."
I don't know about you, but I the "dressed" part of that quote didn't describe my thoughts in my youth . . . This reminds me of an old George Carlin joke that most (and, perhaps you)would find offensive:http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0246641/quotesProceed at your own risk!
Good morning and welcome. This is my house my rules. Please behave yourselves. I have no time to babysit today and can only check in periodically. I have a busy day at work. Please play nice. No hitting below the belt, no hair pulling, no spitting, no kicking, no biting. If you do not behave your posts will be deleted. Capeesh?
I'll be as nice as I can be.;-)
Sorry, no can do.YOU WILL NEVER STOP ME FROM OUTTING NAZI KITTEHS1111!!!!!1!1!11!http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/a/ac/Nk1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110309162912Such depravity.
Post your email. We can talk off-line whenever I don't want to be swarmed by the RHRC mob.I will let you know when I have it.
You know what I mean. :)
Holy crap that is scary.
This is my cat as a kitten. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--owlQKq_hPc/VLg0Xv-gqkI/AAAAAAAAAJs/Dcz0vN6RACs/s1600/4%2Bweeks.jpg
Got it. You can take it down.
Where are you finding this stuff?
That's a cute cat.
Griffon no one is saying that. Really.
That is even more freaky.
Can I piss on Mars' shoes?
Well done. Griffon can STFU anytime and improve global morale.
Just search 'nazi kitteh'Oh, and watch this when you have a free momenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
OMG. That is hysterical. Going right on my blot.
Thanks.check your emailAnd I mentioned your 14 inch dildo on MJI am sorry if I got the inches too short:P
Okay. I got a new vibrator.
http://i.imgur.com/6gUsK.jpgCouldn't find a hitler one:((
Fabulous. Pink is my favorite color.
Omg me too !!!
I'm watching Aerial America atm. Pennsylvania. Just hearing about the death smog now...Act of God my ass
Hi infadelicious. jesuiskitteh is my friend too. I like her.
You really should read what she has written.
I promise I will after work.
ER, that is exactly what jesuiskitty has been advocating. She thinks the severely disabled should be killed and their organs harvested.
You should seek help for your psychopathy.
You and E R seem to be rather serious today. For some reason, I recalled a hilarious Second City bit:http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FT9LhbSfKroEnjoy!
What you are advocating is a sick mad scientist experiment whereby corpses are kept alive indefinitely.
You seemed to have missed my blog rules for posting. "This is my house my rules. Please behave yourselves. I have no time to babysit today and can only check in periodically. I have a busy day at work. Please play nice. No hitting below the belt, no hair pulling, no spitting, no kicking, no biting. If you do not behave your posts will be deleted. Capeesh?"I have no time for your petty attitude here. You behave or leave. You either be nice or shut the fuck up and go away. Am I clear?
Thanks Demo. I'll watch it later off to a meeting. Be back later.
you shut up you vulgar piece of scum. Once again, you got your sorry butt kicked by me and you can't take it even though you said you could.. I won't be back because you're a sickening piece of human garbage. CU later It was fun kicking your butt again.... delete this quick so others can't see i kicked your butt again.. Ha ha ha! it was all too easy too.... lightweight. waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
guess i hit a nerve eh, lightweight? snicker
Seek help for your anger issues.Seriously.
C'mon, be nice. Give it a try. Please?
Excellent! He calls him a "malaka"!
I saw the show live.I'm that old.
Feel free to piss all over infadelicious. Maybe I'll shove some cat shit in her mouth for fun.
I know she's ready to have a stroke. I iz laughing.
Nope you're too stupid to think.
Sounds like a good time.
ER, this is one of your pet trolls. You feed them. I do not understand it. This one's scat stinks to high heaven.
Yay! Backbone. You haz it.
You let Mars "should" on you?
A brain dead person is not 'disabled.' They are dead.
How about I cut off her dick?
No, I do not like this one.
It's okay she doesn't have to be nice to me. She looks stupid for being such an angry mean person.
So ban the cunt. I do not like her either. I want to smack Eponymous but he is likeable.
Oh doG. You are such a hippy.http://youtu.be/RkZC7sqImaM
Maybe we should keep her around and fuck with her. See how rabid we can make her. We could offer a prize of some sort.She might have a myocardial infarction. And we could piss on her dead body. Virtually speaking of course.Are you sure you want to be my friend?
A severely disabled person who is not brain dead is not dead.
I have a thing for purple vibrators.
ZOMG. Have you seen the dildos that look like corn cobs? Not like I'm getting horny looking at a corn cob.
I wonder what that sounds like. Do big cats purr?
Yes I'm sure I want to be your friend. :) You're silly. My philosophy for now is blowing off the haters. I'd rather listen to good music. This is my song of choice, "Let 'Em Say" by Lizzo and Caroline Smith. I love Lizzo she rocks my world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd4aLl6A_o4"In celebration of all the ladies out there that were told they were 'too this' and 'not enough that'; All of the mamas out there busting their asses; All of the women out there that make us proud to hold a microphone."(The video was filmed in South Minneapolis, my home turf.)
In this photo, you can see his whiskers are short. His mom chewed off his whiskers. Apparently this is normal with mother cats and nursing kittens. I got him at six weeks and he looked goofy with short whiskers.
Did you watch the video I posted earlier? M A did, and enjoyed it. If you know of Second City, it may be amusing. The guy singing the bit really captures a dysfunctional aspect of Greek American culture.
So does my SO....
"The Greek American Blues" Opa!You saw it live? I'm jealous! I love the Blues Brothers.
I wish. The hippies don't like me, too angry for them. Baby, I'm an AnarchistBy, Against Me!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVldfXHFlCU
"Everything used to be so good then
Now it seems like you're mad at my footprintsI'm only trying to scribble in the book, man
It's not my fault that y'all couldn'tYou must have a lot of free time
Otherwise why are you trying to see mine
Strain your neck, let the blame project
But don't give yourself the same respectSo independent but undependableWe're all getting old, now take a mental noteAnd stop being so covetous
The crime is the punishmentNow run and get a sliver of dignity
You ain't gotta be a figure of misery
You don't want to be a victim to victory
Listening to a bitter sweet symphonyYou're so bitter
You're cold as a river in the winterThis one is to recognize you
Your jealousy needs an anthem tooYou're so bitter
You're cold as a river in the winterThis one is to recognize you
And all of these dreams that can't come trueWe used to get up in Uptown
Then we hit the highway to run aroundCame home everybody wanna judge now
Don't let them see you celebrate your touchdownKeep clutching those grudges
Don't budge if no budget
The old puppets show love in public
But behind the back can't trust itDisgusted, repugnant
Discouraged, rejectionNo protection from your own reflectionChip on your shoulder big as a boulderInsecurities a slippery slopeGot ya looking around for the sympathy vote
Anything to give a little glimmer of hopeTreat love like a limited resource
Fight for it like there's never gonna be moreOn the rooftop talk to the spaceshipsLike you've got 2Pac locked in the basementGet the bag, make the get away exitYou get mad like your middle name desperateNo net, better not get left backYeah, you should probably protect thatI'm trying to keep it simple, teeth to the nippleBeat my chisel, leave my initialsFly so far when you follow the signalsSky full of stars and all of them wishfulNot only are we bitter but we're brittleThe world's getting small, and everybody's littleGo roll your eyeballs, toot your own whistleDon't ever stop waiting for the window""Bitter" by Atmosphere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK-EZwZviv8
To answer your post. You: "yes, i know, i just assume every whacko d*uchebag nutjob on the internet is your friend."Me: Wrong. You are not my friend. I do not like you. You: "Sadly, you seem desperate for friends."Me: Wrong again. You: "We read about women like you,"Me: Who is "we?" Do you have multiple personalities? You: "so lonely and desperate for friends and male companionship (God only imagines the derelicts sliming their way through your revolving bedroom door)"Me: Wrong, I'm not desperate. I've been with the same man for 14 years. No revolving door. You: "that they keep boyfriends round that molest their kids and look the other way"Me: Wrong again. I have no kids. You: "A normal well adjusted adult would rather be alone than to have friends like the ones you gleefully upvote and approve of."Me: You're well adjusted and normal? How do you have time to watch who I upvote? If you have that much time on your hands you have a problem. You: "That's your issue but if i was your neighbor I would call and report you for endangering your children, then again, you don't care about babies in the womb, why would you care about children once they are born. You're a very sad person, but you're an adult , hopefully your children are grown and out of the house of wh*res, i mean horrors."Me: You have a rich fantasy life. Best of luck to you. Sounds like you need it.
The "Greek American Blues." Love it.
I know, TMI.
You didn't kick my butt you ran away. Have I censored your comments? No. Grow up.
Don't know them. Listening now.
I found one that looks like a banana.http://www.amazon.com/Amber-Banana-Glass-Dildo-Storage/dp/B004Q6QDVE
That's just a miniature based on mine.
Your banana or your banana dildo? Promises, promises.
I'm too modest to go any further.
I am such a prude. I say things like that and then I get too embarrassed to keep it going.One time, I was in a thrift store and I asked the kindly elderly lady if they had a restroom. She said yes and handed me a key with a ruler attached. I thought of saying:"If this ruler is for what I think it is, I'm going to need a yardstick."I just couldn't do it.
Now that is funny. Your wit is first class. Doing stand up comedy has ruined me. You have to let all your evil impulses have free rein verbally. Once you get in the habit of doing that, it is hard to shut up. Knowing when to shut up is an important social skill I do not possess anymore except face to face. I am a holy terror on the net or with a mic in my hand.
I am a hippy. I like you. And Bill Ayers was just one example of an angry hippy.
How awesome that you did that!I've often wondered if I could do that. I have some funny stories and such but I'm not sure I would be quick with the wit like, say, Steve Carell, Demitri Martin, or Steven Wright is. Then again, from what I've seen of some stand-ups on TV, a quick wit or even just being funny doesn't seem to be a requirement these days. Some just seem to rely on cursing and/or anger.My other problem is that I often come up with my best lines long after the "audience" has gone home. Maybe I told you about the guy on HP who told me that:"Talking to you is liker talking to a chimp." I wrote a long, angry reply and then erased it and wrote:"That's because chimps always outsmart you, too."I thought that was a pretty good retort and I was pleased that I didn't let him make me angry and get the better of me. I was heckled on HP, lol.
Excellent retort.Agree that some of what passes for comedy these days is just vulgar and not at all funny. I like Demitri Martin's humor a lot. It is not necessarily extemporaneous. Comedians work hard on their jokes. Performance is not the hardest part of comedy. Coming up with the origianl jokes is the hardest part.
I'm sure. It's like editorial cartoonists. One of my favorites is Tom Toles. How he can manage to come up so many funny 'toons, so many times a week, is beyond me.I like Demitri Martin and Steven Wright because they say things in a way that sounds like it makes sense until one realizes how utterly ridiculous they are. I'm not explaining that very well, I guess. Maybe it's more that they say such silly things in a deadpan style.Well, it's getting late and I'm making less sense than usual so I better say goodnight. It's always a pleasure, my dear friend!
I am going to look up TomToles work.
No need!http://www.gocomics.com/tomtolesI must get some sleep. Hope to see you soon!
Good night, my friend. Sleep well.
Prior to having children, I went to the Second City every time there was a new show. Because it is in incubator of comedians, I saw all the big stars live. And best of all, it was -- and remains -- reasonably priced.The skit on the video resonates with me because the foul language and colorful personalities of my fellow Hellenes are well known. My grand parents and parents had/have "rich" vocabularies and were unafraid of using then. Our family dinners growing up were loud, raucous, and most entertaining.
This is especially for you. Found it at the link. http://www.pinterest.com/genonagalera/feminist-cats/
Not enough genocide;will not look
More from the fit... Less from the UNFIT!!!
Yep, the braindead aren't fit to live, being dead and all...Can you tell me about the Nazi campaign to send the braindead to the gas chambers? I'd be interested in hearing about it...Minds can be observed. Certain classes of brain activity results in minds and consciousness and they depend on certain areas to function (cortex and the thalamic structures...different areas of the cortex contribute to different aspects of consciousness...all of which have been thoroughly researched over the past 50 years. We ARE Talking about science I assure you. Just to give an example, we can differentiate a locked in person (who is conscious but so completely paralyzed that there is no movement whatsoever) from a person in persistent vegetative state/braindead (no consciousness or mind) because of cortical activities. Just one examplehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/01/120106110214.htm
Martin Luther King's hero tooFamous Nazi sympathizer MLK accepting his Margaret Sanger award:""Some commentators point out that with present birth rates it will not be long before Negroes are a majority in many of the major cities of the nation. As a consequence, they can be expected to take political control, and many people are apprehensive at this prospect. Negroes do not seek political control by this means. They seek only what they are entitled to and do not wish for domination purchased at the cost of human misery. Negroes were once bred by slave owners to be sold as merchandise. They do not welcome any solution which involves population breeding as a weapon. They are instinctively sympathetic to all who offer methods that will improve their lives and offer them fair opportunity to develop and advance as all other people in our society.For these reasons we are natural allies of those who seek to inject any form of planning in our society that enriches life and guarantees the right to exist in freedom and dignity.For these constructive movements we are prepared to give our energies and consistent support; because in the need for family planning, Negro and white have a common bond; and together we can and should unite our strength for the wise preservation, not of races in general, but of the one race we all constitute - the human race."" -MLK, May 1966-
Dayum, you had better warn African Americans that MLK was a fucking Nazi, man!""Words are inadequate for me to say how honored I was to be the recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award. This award will remain among my most cherished possessions. While I cannot claim to be worthy of such a signal honor, I can assure you that I accept it with deep humility and sincere gratitude. Such a wonderful expression of support is of inestimable value for the continuance of my humble efforts.Again let me say how much I regret that at the last minute urgent developments in the civil rights movement made it impossible for me to be in Washington to personally receive the award. My wife brought glowing echoes of the wonderful reception and impressiveness of the total occasion.I am happy to be the recipient of the Margaret Sanger Award and I can assure you that this distinct honor will cause me to work even harder for a reign of justice and a rule of love all over our nation.Sincerely yours,Martin Luther King Jr.""
Hi MagnaDave good to see you. Sorry we couldn't talk in real time.
I have asked Eponymous1 to delete the photo. It's a fake and I find it highly offensive.
That's photoshopped. Please remove this photo or I will delete the post. https://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2009/10/01/correcting-glenn-beck-on-interview-margaret-sanger-and-false-kkk-klan-photo/
He's a class act, isn't he?A true warrior for all that is good and right.
Squirrel adopted by cat learns to purr. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHT1nAX46dM
I think purr's point was addressing the definition of "brain death." There are many ethical issues around organ donation regardless of thesituation. If a baby is born with anencephaly it doesn't mean that baby will be "harvested alive for it's organs or killed for it's organs." I can understand that if a woman gave birth to an anencephalic newborn it would be painfully devastating. From "Use of anencephalic newborns as organ donors" Paediatr Child Health. 2005 Jul-Aug; 10(6): 335–337,http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722973/"As with other newborns, the standard medical criteria and ethical principles for organ donation and transplantation must be applied to anencephalic infants when they are considered as potential donors. Organ donation may only be considered if the anencephalic infant has satisfied the criteria for brain death or somatic death as applied to other human beings. Physicians should ensure that the same ethical standards applied to other organ donors are used for infants with anencephaly."From From http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/neurologic_disorders/coma_and_impaired_consciousness/brain_death.html"Brain death is loss of function of the entire cerebrum and brain stem, resulting in coma, no spontaneous respiration, and loss of allbrain stem reflexes. Spinal reflexes, including deep tendon, plantar flexion, and withdrawal reflexes, may remain. Recovery does not occur."From "Use of anencephalic newborns as organ donors" Paediatr Child Health. 2005 Jul-Aug; 10(6): 335–337,http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722973/"ORGAN DONATION FROM ANENCEPHALIC NEWBORN INFANTS Anencephaly is a central nervous system abnormality that is characterized by congenital absence of the forebrain, skull and scalp. Some rudimentary forebrain tissue may exist and a functioning brainstem is usually present. Most anencephalic infants die within days or weeks without life-supporting interventions (2,7). One infant,‘Baby K’, lived for 2.5 years as a result of aggressive life support (11). Use of anencephalic infant organs for transplantation gained widespread publicity in the late 1980s after the Loma Linda MedicalCentre reported a successful newborn heart transplant using a Canadian anencephalic infant, ‘Baby Gabriel’, as the organ donor. In 1989, Loma Linda reported a study (6) of 12 anencephalic infants who were supported with intensive care measures for one week to facilitate declaration of brain death. Successful organ donation did not occur from any of the infants. The study authors concluded that anencephalic infants could not be used as organ donors without legal and medical changes to regulate brain death and organ donation. At the time of the writing of this statement, these changes have not occurred." (July 2005)
I know you are online. You have one hour to take down this photo, 2:50 CST.
You haven't read what she has said. She isn't talking about the brain dead. She is declaring human beings with impaired cognitive function to be the equivalent of the brain dead.This all started over the case of an anencephalic boy whose autonomic functions were unimpaired — he breathed on his own — but required feeding. As infants require feeding. As the elderly or any severely disabled person requires feeding.He was cared for my a loving family and lived to age 12. She said the mother was deluding herself, he wasn't alive he was nothing but a bag of skin and his organs should be harvested.She is an evil person. You claim to possess a strong sense of empathy. You need to look into the hearts of these people.She has moved beyond the unborn and is now declaring some of the born to be "unfit to live." That is precisely what the Nazi T4 program did. Google it.She is an evil person. They do exist.
You really are ignorant.Anencephalic = ZERO COGNITIVE FUNCTIONnot impairedZERO If the cerebral cortex is missing, as it is in anencephaly, then cognition is impossible as is basic awareness (as a dog or fly might have).An anencephalic has the same level of awareness as a plant.This is scientific fact.Your ignorance is embarrassing.
But it doesn't meet the definition of brain dead. That is a scientific fact. You are a monster.
I agree with the recommendations in the linked article, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2722973/1. Organ donation from anencephalic infants should not be undertaken due to the serious difficulties surrounding the establishment of brain death in these infants and the lack of evidence to date supporting successful organ transplantation.2. There should be no alteration or modification of standard infant brain death criteria to include infants with anencephaly.3. Families who request the opportunity to donate organs from their infant with anencephaly should have information and educational material provided that explain why this practice is not supported. The option of tissue and stem cell donation should be discussed using the ethical principles and medical practices applied to other donors.4. The practice of using medical therapy and mechanical ventilation to maintain organ function pending the declaration of death in infants with anencephaly is not supported.
Is it possible that in the case Mars cited "Trevor" had a functioning brain stem he had some brain activity? Enough to breathe and respond to some stimulus?
And she wants to ignore every one of those guidelines, particularly #2.
I took down the photo, i think. You upvoted "How about I cut off her dick?" ?!So... equal standards or double standards?
Delete the post, I cannot pull of a pic apparently.How do you know it's photoshopped? I've seen it a lot before, and Sanger was all about eugenics.
The photo was still up. Humor and joking is one this photos of the KKK is another. You can't cut off a woman's dick because she doesn't have one. Sorry I hate the KKK. I left your other post up. Being a moderator is difficult sometimes. Your post is the first post I've ever deleted. I'm going off line for a while. I have a meeting to go to.
Ok, preface: I am going to look at this as a teaching opportunity. I will first explain how the brain works, and then provide an analogy in case anyone is confused.had a functioning brain stem he had some brain activity? Enough to breathe and respond to some stimulus?Yes it does, but not the type of brain activity that is associated with conscious perception. Sentience, if you recall, is the ability to perceive conscious sensations. Dogs, cats, and virtually every mammal is capable of sentience. However, bacteria, amoebae, and plants are not. What makes humans, and some primates, unique, is that we are capable of sapience - that is, rational thought. Whereas dogs and cats don't necessarily think, or have self-awareness, but they can feel, suffer etc and make decisions and act on them. Now, there are two types of consciousness - primary and higher. The brainstem = primary consciousness, and the thalamus/cortex = higher consciousness. All this means is that the brainstem is the on/off switch. An embryo at 6 weeks will have sleep/wake cycles, but it will be 100pct incapable of sentience, as the thalamus and the cortex are non-existent. To explain by way of analogy (provided to me by a neuroscientist):Imagine that you have a television set. There is an on/off switch, and within the set, a picture tube.The on/off switch = the brainstemThe picture tube = sentienceNormal healthy brain = on/off switch works, picture tube projects a clear picture with lots of detail (this is you, ER)Poorly functioning brain (as in the cognitively disabled) = on/of switch works, picture tube has some damage, and the picture is fuzzy and garbled (someone with an IQ of 60)Persistent Vegetative State = on/off switch works, picture tube is still present, but smashed (Terri Schiavo, whose brain, once autopsied, had turned to goo and was filled with holes)Anencephaly = on/off switch works, picture tube and all of the other electronic parts within the tv = MISSING Now, the anencephalic *can* respond to stimulus, because that does not require conscious thought, or perception. Like if you put your hand on a hot stove and quickly move it away - that is a spinal reflex, and you do it without thinking, in fact, you do it *before* you are even aware of pain. Same thing when the doctor hits you in the knee and you react. An amoeba can *also* respond to stimuli. Amoebae are not conscious - however,they can react to stimuli through purely chemical/mechanical means.Now, those who are ignorant, and unwilling to learn, tend to assume that response to stimuli *always* requires conscious thought. It does not. And this is at the heart of the lesson today. I will also add, as an addendum, that the following will also react to stimuli: bear traps, venus fly traps, and corpses with electrical stimuli. And I mean, the eyes can even open. But it's still dead. Nothing else is happening, it's just capable of some movements. (See also: Giovanni Aldini)Now, if Mars is going to pretend that an anencephalic is capable of cognitive function just because the patient can inhale oxygen and respond to stimulus, then one can also argue that a venus fly trap is also capable of cognitive function, because it can respond to stimulus and 'inhale' C02.
http://www.wired.com/2014/02/brain-death/ Many people implicitly associate life with breathing and heart function, and to see a person breathing (albeit with artificial support) and to be told they are in fact dead can be difficult to comprehend. The ability after brain death to carry a fetus, for wounds to heal, and for sexual maturation to occur also adds to many people’s incomprehension at the notion that brain dead means dead. But for those more persuaded by the idea of death as irrevocably linked, not with brain function, but with the end of heart and lung activity, consider this unpleasant thought experiment (borrowed from LiPuma and DeMarco). If a decapitated person’s body could be maintained on life support – with beating heart and circulating, oxygenated blood – would that person still be “alive” without their brain? And consider the converse – the classic “brain in a vat”. Would a conscious, thinking brain, sustained this way, though it had no breath and no beating heart, be considered dead? Surely not. Such unpalatable thought experiments demonstrate how brain death can actually be a more compelling marker of end of life than any perspective that focuses solely on bodily function.Let me present you with a quick guide about what it takes to create "you" the person in your head. The brain has 200 billion neurons and 100 trillion synaptic junctions. Each synapse is like a microprocessor with a 1000 switches. The total connectivity in your brain exceeds the total connectivity of all internet and all computer hardware on earth. Please forgive me if I go with all neuroscientific literature of the last 40 years in believing that a anencephalic without even rudimentary thalamocortical structures have no rudimentary awareness whatsoever and no mind certainly.Human cells are not special. Human brains are that create consciousness. If the cortex does not develop at all , an anencephalic will *never* have a capacity for conscious awareness.. Hence non-persons. Hence no-rights. We are not religious. We believe it is brain structure that matters here, not soul.As the citation below explains, if certain thalamocortical connections are absent, basic awareness = impossible. The presence of thalamocortical synapses in the subplate is a necessary, but not sufficient requirement for the conscious cortical processing, which was emphasized in attempts to explain cortical mechanisms of responding to a painful stimulation (3,5,6,18). The general agreement seems to be that due to the functional immaturity of thalamocortical connections, there is no cortical processing and no feeling of pain before 23 PCW, i.e. 25 weeks of gestationhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3731572/So, in conclusion, fetuses and embryos that lack a functional thalamus and cortex = incapable of consciousnessBrainless anencephalics that are completely missing a thalamus and cortex = permanently incapable of consciousness
When I visited Plum for that one day I was telling you about this morning, she referred to "friends." I posted a response that simply called her on considering cyber-space acquintances "friends" and questioning whethjer she know the definition of a a friend. Shew deleted that post.Seems to me that Infadelicious only attempted to make you aware of what the term implies but did not insult you. Calling Plum and comapny as she has is very apropos in my opinion as they are beyond redemption.Did you challenge Plum on her post regarding MA on this thread or do you only protect unhinged violence-prone prfo-aborts?
Your board, your rules. No worries. I hate the KKK too. I hate racism, because its stupid and hurtful. And I hate Margaret Sanger and her eugenics and her abortion promotion -- for the same reasons.
And ER, I would also like to point out that if, say, a mad scientist was to cut someone's head off, as long as the spinal cord was intact, the body would *still* react to stimulus. In higher animals, most sensory neurons do not pass directly into the brain, but synapse in the spinal cord. This characteristic allows reflex actions to occur relatively quickly by activating spinal motor neurons without the delay of routing signals through the brain, although the brain will receive sensory input while the reflex action occurs. However, if the brain is *missing* there will be no perception of that sensory input:P
Thanks for clarifying this. I have it bookmarked. Can you tell I did not do well in biology? I was a liberal arts major. In my response, I was trying to respond to the recommendations of organ donation from anencephalic newborns from the point of grieving parents. I think it would be really difficult to have a planned wanted pregnancy and then find out the fetus is anencephalic or give birth to an anencephalic baby. I think the recommendations from the article are trying to address a need for compassion for a grieving family. That's the point I was trying to get across.
She's not a monster anymore than you are.
Sorry I had to be the bitch. See the post from Mars, I think he said Nordog had info it's a fake.
Excellent point? How many African-American and Native-American women have been sterilized against their will. That's eugenics.